The Kingdom of the Emerald Hills

I would Like to see exactly which part of our contract was broken... If there is no contract breach then it cant be pulled. It's as simple as that.



I have read our contract and nowhere in there does it say that is grounds for having it pulled.

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Virgil,

Again, I agree that pulling the contratc would be an over reaction at this point.


However, by contract you must follow the ROP and the Corpora. The ROP state that the Monrach and PM or GMR may bar (ban) a player from participating. This was done and MWG took a vote and decided not to abide by this decision. That is a violation.

The real issue is that people felt Seal shouldn't have been banned. But instead of trying to work with the Monarchy or discuss it, they chose to ignore the decision and work against it. You have to expect that when you do such things, there can be repercussions.

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again, Sir Forest you are mistaken. "People" have been trying to work with the Monarch on the Seal banning since the begining....but have been ignored.

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Kenta, I'm not sure why you have people in quotes, but whatever works for you.

I would be interested to hear how you have tried to talk to the monarchy about possible options. Also, wasn't the vote at MWG taken in Jan?

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[quote="Forest Evergreen"] "by contract you must follow the ROP and the Corpora. The ROP state that the Monrach and PM or GMR may bar (ban) a player from participating. This was done and MWG took a vote and decided not to abide by this decision. That is a violation.[/quote.

So by that thought process...

When Queen Rein was dealing with her wishy-washy handleing of the her bro Little Zig (the Corsair) incident, and her Company bros (the Corsairs) were hiding Little Zig in their Corsair Camp during the event, does that mean we can ban (bar) the Corsairs?

oh! please! can we?!

Under the "Combat Notes" section of the ROP (page4)
"A player who consistently breaks game rules, cheats, causes mundane problems with authorities or safety can be barred from the local group or kingdom by joint agreement of the Monarch and either the Prime Minister or the Guildmaster of Reeves of that group."

It was my understanding that certain people thought Seal shouldn't have been banned in the first place because he didn't break any game rules or cause problems with any mundane authorities. The original issue was with a handful of individuals from one park. Authorities have never been brought into the picture, but that could be because certain people involved have tried to keep this contained in game.

It was my understanding that MWG held the "secret" althing because under section V.E.1 of the Corpora "Any decision agreed upon by the Monarch and Prime Minister is law until the next Althing. (A duration of one to seven weeks)". There was never any althing held at a kingdom level and the one to seven weeks time frame was up when they did their "secret" park vote.
Also under V.E.4. "Permanent rule changes must be published and made available to the
general membership. When reasonably possible, the same applies to temporary rule changes". Since Seal's temporary ban/bar/probation was never officially published or made available to the general membership except through word-of-mouth, it's my understanding that certain people from MWG viewed this as a (violation?) of the corpora by the King towards the ban/bar/probation and thus grounds to terminate/ignore said ban/bar/probation.

There was also the headache from the definition of "participate". Section III.B.2.b of the corpora: "'Participate' is defined as attend, sign-in, and interact in accordance to the
nature of the function as determined by the PM or the PM's designated representative." Here is where semantics came heavily into play: Crimson's view point was a more literal adherence to this definition where Forest's view was more encompassing. I never really heard Elder's view on this except a general agreement with Forest.

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i just like how the eh governing body can twist rules into their favor and just a few butthurt people can cry and whine and hug someone's nuts tog et what they want done,despite what something else says.

i vote

1. lift Seal's ban immediately seeings how some people at one park jsut didnt like him and it wasnt related to the game itself nor a legal matter

2. vote into office people that arent part of the axis of retarded

3. grow the fuck up and act like human fucking beings. my rats are more socially coherent that all this bullshit is proving the eh-gov to be.


gg; next map

Cyn, you are mixing up your references. The ROP are over, not under the Corpora. Also, since all kingdoms agreed to the COM's ability to govern all rule changes, that part doesn't apply either.

Seal was banned. MWG chose to ignore that. There is no argument there. They knew it went against the Kingdom, they knew it could cause issues, but they did it.

To say otherwise it to twist what happened.

Again, I think BOD intervention at this point is an over reaction and I hope this instead can be resolved between the park and the Kingdom officers.

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Yeah! What he said!
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Found on page 1 of the RoP 7.6:

"The rules set forth herein are as detailed and complete as possible, but not all situations can be covered. Common sense and fair play should be used to resolve any problems."

Just posting,
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Though an RP would be interesting and glorious to watch MWG standing in it's final hours as all the Kingdom crashes down on them like a wave of flame... there are serious issues here.

We'll break this down, Artemis style once more.

~ Seal was bad. No two ways about that.
~ Seal was told not to play by Kingdom. There's a signed piece of paper.
~ MWG decided to secretly vote whether to let Seal play. You don't do something secret unless you know it will get you in trouble.
~ Kingdom finds out. Seal gets more ban time. A light consequence. I hear he accepted it gracefully.
~ Now Kingdom looks at MWG. Even knowing what they shouldn't do... they did it. Like Seal, it's consequence time. If only they could take the consequence as well.

In my opinion, I suggest writing a nice letter to Kingdom. Simply outlining that your behavior was rash, the consequences were not considered fully and that you are sorry. Such a letter would do leaps and bounds for you situation and most likely save your park from permanent dissolution. If such a letter was written well enough (and I were in power), I'd be moved to simply bump MWG to petitioning to the same length that Seal was banned. When time came for Seal to officially to return, Seal and choice members of the park would be brought forward a re-evaluated by the Kingdom.

I personally like this path. It's smoother, both sides get what they want. MWG likes to exist, and Kingdom needs to punish them.

You know what this is? It's a win-win.

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OK, throughout this whole ordeal i have waited to see if common sense and fairness could prevail. I think this was handled poorly from the beginning. But when I read the above post from Myth I thought, "WOW...who is this person who speaks with such hatered for MY PARK?"

Myth, let me break it down for you Asmodius style.
Seal was Seal to the wrong person.
Seal perhaps should have been band from KP.
Seal brought his daughter, who is a member in good standing to MWG.
the "secret Allthing" that everyone speaks of cosisted of a group of people who have known seal for many years saying one day, yea Seal, I know it sucks...noone here today hates you...you can play with us. yea, we are an evil group. sorry. (not everyone was aware of a sighned contract.)

Next, someone tells on Seal for playing. shitstorm happens, and a deal is reached between Seal and the King. end of story? NO. THATS NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!! lets kill a park...no, we just NEED to punish them. REALLY? Myth, have you been to MWG? Do you know her people? Her history? I do. and let me assure you. We of Mourningwood Glen are proud members of The Kingdom of the Emerald Hills and have been sense you were in diapers I would guess. A punishment to MWG in this particular case will do nothing but hurt the kingdom. is that what you want? I hope not. If KP wants to fight with MWG. lets set up a battlegame and play. let the rest of the kingdom worry about bigger, better things.

see dammit, now you went and made me post. I much prefere face to face communication. Guess I need to come visit KP.